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Vatican II neither condemned nor mentioned atheistic communism. In the analytical table of the Council Acts, the following words are not found at all: Communism, Marxism, socialism.
Vatican II failed to condemn communism: Petition to condemn communism suppressed...
"I say this evening, as your
God, that on that date, as promised at Fatima, satan entered My Church upon
earth. He brought with him his agents—and satan himself, the deceiver of all
mankind, sat in on Vatican II and maneuvered all the outsiders to come in and
distort My doctrines and distort the truth.
"At Fatima, My Mother tried to warn of this coming
event, but who cared to listen? Who was interested in listening?" - Jesus,
June 18, 1986
The following excerpt is taken from the book, Fatima: Tragedy and Triumph by Frère François de Marie des Anges:
Less than ten days after the opening of Vatican II, on October 20, 1962, during the discussion of the “Message to the World,” at the third intervention, Cardinal Ferretto, who was moreover warmly applauded, along with three other prelates, was astonished that this first declaration of the Council should totally ignore those persecuted behind the Iron Curtain. At once, Cardinal Liénart, who was presiding, interrupted the session to give this warning: “I demand that you do not repeat what has already been said.”[1] He wanted those ‘outrageous’ complaints against Communism to cease for the sake of the two Russian Orthodox observers.
However, a good number of Council Fathers did not resign themselves to the silence of the Council over the errors of Russia and the Communist persecutions. On the eve of the closing of the second session, December 3, 1963, Bishop de Proença Sigaud, was able to deliver to the Cardinal Secretary of State petitions addressed to the Sovereign Pontiff, and signed by more than 200 Council Fathers belong to forty-six nations, in order to have a special schema prepared in which “social Catholic doctrine would be exposed in all its clarity, and where the errors of Marxism, Socialism and Communism would be refuted on philosophical grounds.”[2] A request formulated in vain: Communism wasn’t even mentioned in the constitution plan of “The Church in the Modern World,” which was submitted to the Fathers during the third session, in autumn, 1964. Consequently during the discussion of its paragraphs on atheism, Bishop Yu Pin, rector of the Catholic University of Formosa, in Free China, demanded in the name of the seventy bishops, the addition of a chapter, or at least the adjunction of a solemn declaration on Communism. The Chinese Bishop advanced compelling arguments as these:
“Communism is a militant atheism and a coarse materialism. In a word, it is the compilation of all heresies, and thus it should be treated as such, if the truth is to be defended.” The Council “should dispel the confusion created by the doctrine of peaceful co-existence, by the politics of the ‘outstretched hand,’ by ‘Catholic Communism,’ as they say, all strategems destined to help Communism create obscurity, doubt, or at least hesitation in the spirit of Christians. In this matter, complete clarity is now required.”[3]
But the pastoral “finality” was otherwise. Two weeks later, November 5, 1964, did not Cardinal Alfrink declare to the aula (conference hall): “Our pastoral solicitude aspires to the good seed even in the Communist world.”[4]
DEATH BY COMMUNISM Country Death Count Russia 20,000,000 People's Republic of China 65,000,000 Vietnam (North & South) 1,000,000 North Korea 2,000,000 Cambodia 2,000,000 Eastern Europe 1,000,000 Latin America 150,000 Africa 1,700,000 Afghanistan 1,500,000 Cuba 15,000 TOTAL......
92,365,000 The revised plan of the constitution on “The Church in the Modern World,” presented at the beginning of the fourth session, never contained the least mention of Communism. Also, on October 9, 1965, Bishop de Proença Sigaud and Bishop Marcel Lefebvre delivered to the secretariat general of the Council a petition signed by 334 Fathers,[5] demanding the condemnation of Communism. The text of that petition explained:
“At each period of time, Councils must unmask and banish the errors which spread underhandedly, such as they are in concrete reality and not in abstracto. Now today, the most virulent and most dangerous form, under which atheism is incarnated and acts, is Communism. That is why the second Vatican Council must speak about Communism, by explicitly calling it by name, as Pius XI did in the encyclical Divini Redemptoris.
“If the Council did not speak about Communism, its silence would be interpreted by the faithful—unjustly but inevitably—as a tacit abrogation of everything that the last Popes have said or written against Communism, as well as the repeated condemnations of it from the Holy Office. The bad psychology and the discredit for the Magisterium of the Church which would result from it, would be of immense gravity. More easily could the Church be accused of opportunism, of false witness, of being more concerned about Jews suffering persecution rather than Christians. Communism ardently wishes and hopes for that silence of the Council, and that is very significant. There is no doubt that Communist propaganda will pull out all the stops to interpret in its favor this silence of the Council. From it there will result an enormous confusion of ideas among the faithful.”[6]
That petition was not communicated to the members of the joint Commission charged with drafting the official report concerning the schema, then in discussion, and for good reason! It was put aside by Bishop Glorieux[7] who could not commit such a felony and such a breach of honor as covered up by the highest authorities of the Church. “Everyone knew about the existence of the petition, Father Rouquette relates. The members of the Commission of schema XIII were astonished that it had not been communicated to them, and they assumed that it had been stopped by higher authority. I believe I know that, questioned by one of those responsible for schema XIII, Paul VI would have dissuaded a new condemnation of Communism, such as the petition demanded.”[8]
In the words of Bishop Hauptmann, Bishop Garrone “enjoyed special powers to pull off on time and in difficult circumstances that schema to which Paul VI attached great importance for the aggiornamento of the Church.” Now, in the Council aula, November 15, 1965, that French prelate asserted that “this procedure [of not hanging on to the petition of an express and formal condemnation of Communism] appeared to the commission as perfectly consistent, on the one hand, to the “pastoral finality” of the Council, and on the other hand, to the express will of Popes John XXIII and Paul VI.”[9]
Vatican II therefore neither condemned nor mentioned atheistic communism. In the analytical table of the Council Acts, the following words are not found at all: Communism, Marxism, socialism.
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“To him therefore who knoweth to do good, and doth it not, to him it is a sin.” (James 4:17)
[1]
“Acta Synodalia sacrosancti Concilii oecumenical Vaticani II,” Volume I, part I,
page 239.
[2]
See Ralph M. Wiltgen, S.V.D., The Rhine Flows into the Tiber, page 272,
English Edition.
[3]
“Acta Synodalia sacrosancti Concilii oecumenical Vaticani II,” Volume III, part
V, pages 378-379.
[4]
Intervention of Cardinal Alfrink, November 5, 1964, quoted in the “Documentation
Catholique,” 1965, col. 410.
[5]
In this book, “Perche il Concilio no ha condannato il Communismo”, Giovanni
Scantamburlo specifies that on October 9, 1965, 334 Fathers had stuck to that
petition, each having signed a separate sheet. About ten days later, 71 new
petitions were presented to the secretariat of the Council. And then, 30 new
Fathers again signed that petition. Father Wiltgen speaks throughout his report
about the petition of “450 Council Fathers” (see Father Ralph Wiltgen, ibid.,
pages 270-274).
[6]
The text of that petition has been published in its entirety in the
“Documentation Catholique,” 1966, col. 361-362.
[7]
The journalist Father Ralph Wiltgen, then at Rome, revealed November 23, 1965,
that this petition had been put aside by Bishop Glorieux “who occupied a
half-dozen positions at the Vatican” (The Rhine Flows into the Tiber,
English Edition, page 276). In 1985, Father Pierre Caillon was able to
interrogate him. In a letter of August 17, 1985, Father Caillon explains:
“Bishop Glorieux is always lively. He is now retired in Rome in a house for the
clergy. I saw him in his office in Rome last Thursday, March 28. He confessed to
me quite evenly that it was he who caused the disappearance of the petition of
the Bishops demanding the condemnation of Communism. That good Bishop Glorieux
told me quite kindly that several attempts had been made previously in order to
get the condemnation of Communism, and that they had always been set aside as
not being consistent with the spirit of the Council.” (Personal correspondence)
[8]
Quoted in the “Documentation Catholique”, 1966, col. 363.
[9]
Ibid., col. 365.
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"I repeat, My
children, as I have told you in the past, that the great Council of Vatican II
was manipulated by satan. He sat there among you and he worked you like a
chessboard.
"What can you do now to recover? It is simple, My children: turn back and
start over with the foundation given to you. You must bring respect back to your
priesthood. You must bring respect back to your Holy Father...!"
- Our Lady of the
Roses, May 15, 1976
"My children, long ago I warned you from Fatima, I warned you through many voice-boxes throughout your world that the time will come when you will embark upon a stormy sea, and it shall be bishop against bishop and cardinal against cardinal, and satan shall set himself in your midst." - Our Lady of the Roses, November 20, 1976
"I counseled you at Fatima, and who gave My counsel to the world? Pride and arrogance anew! A secret was to be revealed, and who counseled and prepared the world for the onslaught of satan into My Son's House? No one!" - Our Lady of the Roses, December 31, 1977
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ENTERING THE HIGHEST PLACES OF THE CHURCH
"As I warned you in the past and you did
not listen, unless you prayed more, did more penance, sacrifice, communism would
go throughout your world, ravishing nations, destroying your Faith, entering
into the highest places of My Son's House. Can you deny what is happening now in
your world? Remove the blindness from your eyes and look!" - Our Lady, March 18, 1977
GREAT REVOLUTION
"There will be a great revolution in Rome, in Italy, and many countries in
Europe, My child, because the man of sin is preparing the way. The forces of
communism are gaining and will enter upon the Seat of Peter." - Our Lady,
March 25, 1978
RUSSIA
"Russia has great plans for the capture of Rome. I beg you as your Mother to
listen now while there is time. Bishops, cardinals in Rome, a plan is set afoot
against you." - Our Lady, November 20, 1978
ENTERING TIME OF GREAT TRIAL
"The forces, the red forces are gathering within the Eternal City of Rome and
throughout all of Europe, My children. Unless man turns back quickly, blood
shall flow in the streets. Revolution shall come, and many shall die. The world
is entering a time of great trial. Pray a constant vigilance of prayer, My
children." - Our Lady, September 7, 1976
CAPITULATION
"In Rome, the Eternal City of the hills, My children, the forces are gathering
to bring about the capitulation of the Seat of Peter to communism and atheism,
all promoted in the name of humanism. My children, all this is coming about fast
because man has neglected sacrifice and prayer." - Our Lady, March 18, 1978
LIARS
"My children, I could give you many names that would encompass and describe the
entrance of satan into your world: the forces of communism, the forces of
atheism. O My children, what manner of words can describe the activity of these
agents? They promote delusion: they promote heresy, defilement, misconceptions.
And as satan is the father of all liars, they, too, are liars." - Our Lady,
November 19, 1977
YOU SHALL NOT ESCAPE
"O My children of the United States, do you not understand what is ahead for
you? Your country, the United States, has not known what it is to suffer through
destructive forces. My children, you shall not escape the destruction that the
Bear of communism has set upon many countries in Europe and the world. You
cannot compromise your Faith to save what there is left, for everything upon
earth shall fall as rubble with the Chastisement. A ball of fire, a
chastisement, a baptism of fire, is heading for mankind. Can you not
understand?" - Our Lady, November 20, 1978
FIFTH COLUMN
"There is, My children, a great conspiracy of evil now throughout your world-the
forces, the columns of evil. Man has given them many names-the fifth column.
They have been broken up into political parties, including communism. O My
children, they are but small arms of the octopus, the gigantic conspiracy of
evil that will unite your world and My Son's Church under the rule of despots!
"There is in Rome, My children, a great struggle for power, a political
machine controlled by satan. There shall be a war of the spirits. It shall be
bishop against bishop and cardinal against cardinal." - Our Lady, May 15,
1976
“WHY DID YOU NOT GIVE MY MESSAGE TO THE WORLD AS I GAVE
IT TO YOU?”
"I cry to you, My children, that
immorality is the gauge, the measuring point for the fall of a nation. Your
country, My children, the United States, has fallen to satan. The great eagle
has been plucked by sin. Corruption has entered into the highest places of your
government and in My Son's Church. I say unto you, and I say this with counsel
from high, the Lord high God in Heaven, the Father of all creation, that as you
sow so shall you reap!
"My children, why did you avoid giving My counsel to the world? O you of
little faith in the high places of My Son's House, His Church, why did you not
give My message to the world as I gave it to you? Pride and arrogance! That is
why, My children." - Our Lady,
December 31, 1977
1972
"Satan, Lucifer in human form, entered into Rome in the year 1972. He cut
off the rule, the role of the Holy Father, Pope Paul VI." - Our Lady of the
Roses, September 7, 1978
INDECISION, FEAR OF EXPOSURE
"I gave Lucy the Revelation as a temporary secret—as I revealed [the Third
Secret] to you on two occasions. Make a concerted effort to bring its entirety
to Our children on earth. The hierarchy have not listened to My
counsel—thirty-two years lost in indecision and fear of exposure. The Faith is
shattered for many." - Our Lady of the Roses, April 29, 1992
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D131 - THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 3 - Satan entered the highest realms of the hierarchy
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