Vatican 'gay' priest ban forcing dissidents out of the closet

Vatican 'gay' priest ban forcing dissidents out of the closet...

"I will not stand for My priests who condone homosexuality and allow it in My priesthood! I will not stand for My priests who allow the murder of the unborn with their permissiveness! I will not stand by and allow My priesthood to be destroyed!" - Jesus, June 18, 1982

LifeSiteNews.com reported on November 23, 2005:

The leak of what has been confirmed by various sources as the Vatican document barring from entering the Catholic priesthood men who are homosexual, has spurred comments from various leaders within the Catholic church. Some of those comments have exposed the commentators as willingly and resolutely opposed to the Catholic teaching on the matter of homosexuality and the priesthood.

In addition, faithful Catholics both within the hierarchy and among the laity have spoken up to defend the Vatican's statements, despite animosity from the media guardians of political correctness.

Apart from the usual anti-Catholic groups, which to no-one's surprise used the leaked document as yet another opportunity to bash the Church, Catholic priests opposed to the Vatican stand have publicly exposed their dissent from Christian moral teaching. In addition to Rochester, NY, Bishop Matthew H. Clark, and Rev. Timothy Radcliffe, the former international leader of the Dominican Order, who came out against the long-standing Vatican position in recent weeks (see coverage http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05111406.html ), the controversial Archbishop of Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony has, through the diocesan spokesman, not surprisingly also come out against Catholic teaching as re-emphasized by the Vatican document.

Tod Tamberg, spokesman for the Archdiocesees, told the LA Times, "There will be some people who from what they hear in the media will think: 'Oh my God, this means no gay will ever be ordained in the priesthood again or anybody with a homosexual orientation will never be ordained again.' That's simply not true." Rather said Tamberg, the important disqualifier is an inability to lead others to Christ. "Any impediment that would prevent a priest from fulfilling that duty is cause for examination or disqualification," Tamberg said. "That could be one's sexuality that, one way or the other, gets in the way; it could be alcoholism; it could be that that person is incredibly selfish and not willing to give of themselves in the measure that is required of a priest."

Just as Bishop Clark suggested that the Vatican document would not change matters in the Rochester diocese, Father Thomas Rausch, professor of theology at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, suggested homosexuals would still be accepted. He suggested that since the document leaves administration of the rules to the local bishop, the document will not "have a major impact." Were the document to rule out homosexual candidates, he said "it clearly would be discriminating against gay candidates, and that would clearly be unjust."

The confirmed text of the document also throws the spotlight on the views of Spokane bishop William Skylstad, the current president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Writing in his diocesan paper in October, he said: "There are many wonderful and excellent priests in the church who have a gay orientation, are chaste and celibate, and are very effective ministers of the Gospel. Witch hunts and gay bashing have no place in the Church."

The news of the leaked full document also afforded known dissidents the opportunity to vent their agitation with the Vatican in the press. Rev. Donald Cozzens, Sister Jeannine Gramick, and Father Tom Reese were all more than ready to slam the Church over the new document.

However, far from silence, a growing band of faithful Catholic clergy and prominent laity made their voices heard in support of the new Vatican document.

Answering Rev. Cozzens' charge that the new document will empty already meagrely occupied seminaries, Rev. Richard John Neuhaus of First Things magazine told the New York Times that the decree will attract to seminaries those candidates who in the past were repelled by "the presence, and sometimes dominance, of a gay culture" in seminaries.

On his website, Fr. Neuhaus explained, "The new Vatican instruction is clearly aimed at countering what Archbishop Wilton Gregory, when president of the U.S. bishops conference, called the homosexualization of the priesthood that has turned many manly young men away from a priestly vocation."

The American biographer of Pope John Paul II, George Weigel also added his commentary in the Times saying, "I think there will be the usual attempt to paint the Catholic Church as behind the times, segregated, etc.. But that's just the way it is when the Catholic Church defies the politically correct view on anything having to do with human sexuality."

Rev. Joseph Fessio, editor of Ignatius Press, which has the exclusive rights to the distribution of the writings of Pope Benedict in North America, told the Times "I don't think it's anything new or different from the church's constant teaching, but it's new in the sense that the teaching has been widely disregarded in seminaries."

Both Neuhaus and Weigel concurred that the key factor with the new document is what local bishops will do with it.

"All of this inevitably comes down to whether the local bishop wishes to implement these things, and the church is not going to set up some sort of gestapo," said Weigel.

Fr. Neuhaus concluded his observations stating, "During the years of the sex abuse crisis-a crisis mainly occasioned by homosexual priests having sex with teenage boys-I was famous (or infamous) for saying that it was all about three things: fidelity, fidelity, and fidelity. The story of the new instruction from Rome will likewise be about three things: implementation, implementation, and implementation."

See Related LifeSiteNews.com stories
Catholic Schism Being Revealed as Homosexual Priest Document Readies for Release
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05111406.html

Conservative Catholics Ready to Rumble with Dissenters over Homosexual Priest Ban
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05111805.html

"Man shall not condone evil or rationalize sin. Homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God and man! The Creator condemns those who do not repent of this sin." - Our Lady of the Roses, August 5, 1977

"Are you so blind that you do not recognize the acceleration of sin among you? Murders abound, thievery, all manner of carnage, destruction of young souls, abortion, homosexuality, condemned from the beginning of time by the Eternal Father. Yet sin has become a way of life. Sin is condoned now, even unto the highest judge of your land and your lands throughout the world. As you have sown so shall you reap. Sin is death, not only of the spirit, but of the body. Wars are a punishment for man's sin, his greed, his avarice." - Our Lady of the Roses, August 14, 1981

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READ YOUR BIBLES
"Your word of homosexuality can be explained by the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Read in your Bibles or consult your clergy. Find yourselves, My children, a humble, pious clergy. Many have fallen away from the Faith." Our Lady, October 6, 1992

PASTORS HELD RESPONSIBLE
"We hold the pastors of My Son's House, We hold them as being responsible for the fall of the children. Be ye warned now, My children, that woe to the man who has this responsibility upon his conscience and his soul. Scandals have been brought into the lives of your children. Perversion, homosexuality, immorality, perverted sex, My children-where shall you stop but at the abyss!" Our Lady, December 7, 1977

AN ABOMINATION
"Man shall not condone evil or rationalize sin. Homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God and man! The Creator condemns those who do not repent of this sin." Our Lady, August 5, 1977

BLACK CLOUD OVER AMERICA
"In the days of Sodom, so too were men giving themselves over to all the pleasures of the flesh: eating, drinking, marrying, giving in marriage. All manner of sinful lusts are being committed. Men shameful with men, women casting aside their role of motherhood and lusting after women. As it was in the days of Sodom, so now is this black cloud over America." Our Lady, July 14, 1979

SODOM: "WE DESTROYED IT"
"And the great issue now of homosexuality in your country, that shall be on the balance that Michael holds. Unless this balance is evened by removing this evil from your country and bringing in just laws to prevent the spread of homosexuality, you cannot be saved; your country cannot be saved. Because I repeat again, as I have repeated in the past: When a country has given itself over to immorality and all pleasures of the flesh, and abominations of the flesh, then that country will fall! If you do not believe Me, My children, I say: You will read your history books, and you will find out that there was a Sodom and Gomorrah. And what did We do to that abominable city, Sodom? We destroyed it! And what did We do to Gomorrah? We destroyed it! And We destroyed all who did not follow the plan for their redemption." Jesus, November 1, 1985

SIN: FORERUNNER OF WAR
"For sin is always a forerunner for war, My children: murders, persecutions, robberies, all manners of sins of the flesh, homosexuality, lesbianism, perversion, sodomy. Sodom and Gomorrah fell for less sins than you have committed now upon your earth. Noah took to the ark and the world was in a better state spiritually than your world now; for you have accepted a sophisticated manner of sin, based on man's reasoning and not God's truth." Our Lady, October 2, 1979

ANY COUNTRY
"Any country that allows homosexuals to roam and to seduce the young shall be destroyed." Our Lady, June 30, 1984

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The American bishops and homosexual priests
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What the Bible says about homosexuality
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Great Britain study says 43% of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals have a mental disorder
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Links...

Vatican: sexually active gays unwelcome as priests, Newsmax, September 22, 2005
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/22/141650.shtml

Vatican closes doors on gay seminarians, Port Arthur News, September 22, 2005
http://www.panews.com/articles/2005/11/23/ap/headlines/d8e1ulvg1.txt

U.S. Bishops to Begin Inspecting Seminaries, National Catholic Register
http://www.ncregister.com/articulo.php?artkod=NTU-

Expected Vatican Ban Roils American Church, [U.K.] Guardian, September 22, 2005
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Trust us to fix it, Catholic World News
http://www.cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm?task=singledisplay&recnum=2791

Bishops meeting to avoid gay issue, Washington Times, June 15, 2005
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050614-114626-2482r.htm

Why won't our bishops solve the 'gay' priest problem? New Oxford Review, July-August 2004
http://www.newoxfordreview.org/note.jsp?did=0704-notes-bishops

How America's Catholic Church crucified itself, [London] Times Online, March 13, 2005
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Vatican Monsignor says gays shouldn’t be priests, Washington Times, September 20, 2002
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020920-85049356.htm

Catholic official argues against gay priests, Modesto Bee, September 19, 2002
http://www.modbee.com/24hour/nation/story/543081p-4290797c.html

John Paul II to Church: Risky seminarians must go, National Catholic Register, Sept. 15-21, 2002
http://www.ncregister.com/Register_News/091002sem.htm

John Paul II: Men with deviant affections can’t be priests, ABC News, September 5, 2002
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20020905_339.html

Catholic Medical Association: Homosexuality and Hope
http://www.cathmed.org/publications/homosexuality.html

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