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Parents who spank being made criminals: Democrats advance plan calling for probation, protective orders...

"Humanism in your world has been created by satan. You will bring back the adages of old of 'Spare the rod, and you will spoil the child.' Discipline must be returned to the homes.” - St. Joachim, July 25, 1973

WorldNetDaily reported on April 19, 2007:

Democrats on a legislative committee in California have advanced a plan that would make criminals of any parent who uses "a stick, a rod, [or] a switch" to discipline their misbehaving child, and parents rights' organizations are up in arms.

"This was a bad day for parental rights in California," said Karen England, of Capitol Resource Institute.

"Arrogant California legislators have decided … they know how to raise children better than parents. However, we are confident that California parents will make their voice heard and defeat these despicable bills," she said.

The proposal is AB755, a plan by California Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, D-Mountain View, that is billed as a plan for "corporal punishment."

But it does more.

"AB755 biases police officers, social workers, district attorneys and juries to regard traditional methods of child discipline as hateful, harmful abuse," said Randy Thomasson, president of the Campaign for Children and Families.

"This irresponsible committee has passed a very irresponsible bill. Since juries already have broad authority to convict and sentence child abusers, AB755 is unnecessary. The real purpose of the bill is to transform good parents who use traditional methods of discipline into suspected child abusers in the eyes of the law," Thomasson said.

According to the bill, a parent who spanks their child will be placed on probation for four years, forced to attend a "nonviolent parental education class" and be the subject of a criminal court protective order "protecting the victim from further acts of violence."

Among those testifying before the Assembly's Public Safety Committee against the plan were constitutional attorney David Llewellynof Sacramento, Thomasson and others.

As amended by the committee, the penalties for parents who even use a bedroom slipper to swat an unruly child would be subject to being reported and prosecuted on the word of any police officer or social worker, counselor or member of the clergy, opponents said.

"The inclusion of a 'nonviolent parental education class' reveals that AB755 continues to target loving parents who spank with a switch, paddle, a stick, or other traditional child-rearing methods," according to a statement from opponents. "Existing law already allows judges to order convicted child abusers into 'a child abuser's treatment counseling program.' There is no reason for a 'nonviolent parental education class.'"

Speaking against and voting "no" on AB755 were Republicans Greg Aghazarian of Stockton and Joel Anderson of El Cajon. Voting "yes" on AB755 were Democrats Jose Solorio of Santa Ana, Hector De La Torre of Southgate, Fiona Ma of San Francisco and Mark Leno of San Francisco.

"Parents and grandparents are calling upon Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to veto AB755 if it reaches his desk," said Thomasson. "Because this bill biases authorities against parents who spank, AB755 continues to view good parents who lovingly correct their children as suspected child abusers."

"Parents often use a wooden spoon or ruler to spank their children. This legislation actually bans the use of 'a stick, a rod, a switch, a belt' – tools often used by responsible parents in spanking disobedient children," England has said on the issue. "As a parent, I am angered that the government is declaring my disobedient child 'a victim' and intervening in the raising of my children."

The original Lieber plan created "a 'rebuttable presumption' that when parents discipline their children, they are abusers," said Meredith Turney, CRI's legislative liaison. While that has been modified, the plan still should be unacceptable to Californians, she said.

"Discipline is used to protect children from disobedient behavior that could harm them. It is appalling that the government is treating parents like criminals when there are dangerous sexual predators on our streets," she said.

As WND reported earlier, officials with the Campaign for Children and Families described Lieber's bill as a specific attack on parental authority, providing an outright ban on spanking with a utensil such as a spoon, and leaving it up to judges to decide if spanking with an open hand is legal or not.

Thomasson said it's clear that child abuse needs to be prevented. But it should be handled separately. "Legitimate child abuse provisions in this bill, such as 'vigorous shaking of a child under the age of three,' deserve to be in another bill and completely separated from spanking," his group said earlier.

The proposal already has been dissected in the media. Before its introduction, the Contra Costa Times said the bill, "is completely unenforceable. Are we to expect a 2-year-old to dial 911 and report a parent for swatting him or her on the behind?"

The editorial took a straightforward shot at the issue.

"With all of the pressing problems facing our state, what issue has the knickers of our esteemed lawmakers in such a twist? What burning concern has the ponderous pundits on the cable news shows frothing at the mouth?

"Global warming? Plunging real estate values? Good-paying jobs being shipped off to India every time you turn around? Maybe the governor's new health care proposal?

"None of the above.

"The latest meaningless, national distraction, is a silly bill proposed by Assembly Pro Tem Speaker Sally Lieber, D-Mountain View, that would make it a crime to spank any child 3 years old or younger."

The editorial's suggestion? "Get real."

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The Holy Bible on child discipline...

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"All parents must set a strong example of faith in the home. Your children are being subject to much error and much soul destruction outside your home. Discipline and truth must be brought to the children. The greatest responsibility for these children will be given to the parents. Guard their souls well.” - Our Lady of the Roses, July 1, 1973

The amazing Bayside Prophecies...http://www.tldm.org/directives/directives.htm
These prophecies came from Jesus, Mary, and the saints to Veronica Lueken at Bayside, NY, from 1968 to 1995.

DO NOT FALL DOWN
“Do not fall down in your job as a parent, for you will also be held responsible for the condition of your children’s souls when they are brought to Us.” - Our Lady, February 11, 1971

LACK OF DISCIPLINE AND TRUE DIRECTION
St. Anne - "Oh, how sad to look upon the homes of earth! Whatever has become of motherhood? Bad example, such poor example I see in many homes. You must return to the simple life. The love of riches will destroy your souls.
"Involvement of the parents in worldly pursuits and living take them farther from the graces of Heaven. The greatest offenses to the Father is the lack of discipline and true direction of many parents on earth today. My children--"
Veronica - And Saint Anne is placing her hand out, like this.
St. Anne - "You still have time to make restitution and atonement, and to save your children. You must bring them back to the Sacraments. You must be an example of modesty and true faith to them. Children will learn much by your example." - July 25, 1973

SPARE THE ROD, SPOIL THE CHILD
Veronica - Now Saint Joachim is walking over; he's standing now between Saint Anne and Our Lady. Now Saint Joachim is standing there. He has a long--it looks like a rod in his hand. And he's standing there holding the rod up, and he's saying:
St. Joachim - "In one hand you will hold the Book of life, and the other, discipline."
Veronica - And he's brandishing the stick, like this.
St. Joachim - "Humanism in your world has been created by satan. You will bring back the adages of old of 'Spare the rod, and you will spoil the child.' Discipline must be returned to the homes.”- July 25, 1973

DISCIPLINE AND TRUTH
"All parents must set a strong example of faith in the home. Your children are being subject to much error and much soul destruction outside your home. Discipline and truth must be brought to the children. The greatest responsibility for these children will be given to the parents. Guard their souls well.” - Our Lady July 1, 1973

A HARD PRICE
"Your children must be protected against the world, your world of evil. Better that they starve their bodies than to starve their souls. The seeking of worldly gain has sent many souls into hell. The example being shown in many homes is abominable. Many parents will pay a hard price in the loss of the Kingdom for their lack of discipline and proper direction of the souls entrusted to them.” - Our Lady, May 10, 1973

BE FIRM
"Man has lost his purity. All parents must guard the children's souls. Be firm with your children. The fashions grieve all Heaven.
     "The time is short, so you must make reparation now, and learn to recognize the signs. You must be guided by the light. The Holy Spirit will always be with you. Remain close to My Son. So many will be lost.” - Our Lady, August 5, 1970

ALL ABOUT YOU
"All about you, you see the disobedience of children. In your schools, your government, your churches--where is the respect, the honor to your God?
     "O you blind, foolish parents who do not recognize the products of your laxity! The blow, it will be visited upon you; for as you sow, so shall you reap. Yes, you parents are filling the bodies and minds with luxuries, but you have chosen to starve the souls of your children. Your children are being led farther into the darkness. We do not see the light ahead for them.” - Our Lady, July 25, 1971

GROW MORE DISOBEDIENT AND ARROGANT
“Children grow more disobedient and arrogant to parents. Man has lost the true meaning of love and charity of neighbor.
     "I counsel you all to take your Book of life, Bible, and become knowledgeable of these latter days. The plan for the days ahead is covered quite thoroughly in this Book of life.
     "Man would find his way to the Kingdom if he would cast aside the soul destroyers that he now has in his home, which destroy not only his soul but the souls of innocent children. For the love of money, these soul destroyers flood your earth.
     "The time will come, without your prayers and actions, when you will no longer recognize sin as sin. You will become accustomed to sin as a way of life. The numbers to be saved in the final count will be in the few.” - Our Lady, July 15, 1973

FIRMNESS IS NEEDED
"I wish that all fathers of households stand forth and practice their role. They will use the rod and not permit their children to go astray. Firmness is needed in your world that is filled with laxity, permissiveness, and degradation.
     "Your children have been misled by many who shall answer to the Father. As teachers they have failed in their role. Therefore, as parents you must succeed in yours.” - St. Joseph, March 18, 1973

STRONG DISCIPLINE AND LOVE
"I have asked you, I have directed you, as your Mother, to retire--retire from your world that has been given to satan. You must earn your daily bread by living in the world, but you must not become of the world. Your children must be guided with a strong discipline and love. But this love must be coming from the light, My children, for so few cry love, and they have lost the true meaning of love. For love is your God the Father in Heaven.” - Our Lady, September 7, 1976

ONLY PATH
"Man has set himself into the web of satan by straying from the path given by the Father. Discipline, self-discipline, and obedience to the rules of God are the only path." - Our Lady, November 24, 1973
 

Directives from Heaven...

D16 - Role of Parents PDF
D65 - The Home  PDF
D167 - The Family - Part 1 PDF
D168 - The Family - Part 2 PDF
D183 - Sex Education    PDF 
D235 - Disciplining children   PDF

Articles...

Helping your children grow in maturity through discipline
http://www.tldm.org/news7/ChildDiscipline2.htm

Spare the rod, spoil the child
http://www.tldm.org/news6/child.discipline.htm

Are you an "escapist" parent?
http://www.tldm.org/news6/parents1.htm

A major source of today's parenting problems is the psychologizing of our culture
http://www.tldm.org/news6/children2.htm

Dr. Laura advises parents to use "swift and terrible" correction for defiant children
http://www.tldm.org/news7/DrLaura2.htm

St. Alphonsus Liguori's advice to parents
http://www.tldm.org/News8/AdviceToParents.htm