These Last Days News - December 18, 2017
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If the Catholic Church Ordained Women...

"Already We hear you clamor for the ordination of woman.  No woman shall stand in My House to represent Me!  How dare you bring in this heresy to My House!  I shall go among you and I shall sling you out from My temples!" Jesus - December 27, 1975

Veronica reads the following:
"The conduct of women during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass shall be one of silence.  No woman shall speak out during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.[1]    Women must wear head coverings when they enter the House of God.[2]  The House of God is a place of prayer, and not a meeting place or dance hall.  No woman shall speak from the pulpit.  No woman shall enter the ministry."[3]  December 7, 1976   [1]1 Cor 14:34-35; [2] 1 Cor 11:5-10; [3] 1 Tim 2:9-15.

CatholicOzarks.blogspot.com reported on December 14, 2017:

by Shane Schaetzel

What would happen if the Catholic Church ordained women? A growing number of Catholic laity seem to be fine with the idea. A fairly good size of liberal clergy seems to be fine with it as well -- even advocating it. So let's play a little game of "what if?" Suppose in some alternate bizarro universe, Rome made a decree that women could henceforth be ordained to the diaconate and the priesthood, with the possibility for the episcopate at some later date. What would happen?

It's not like this is a mystery. To answer this question we already have historical examples from liturgical/sacramental communities that are very similar to the Catholic Church. There is one in the U.K. called the Church of England. Another exists here in the U.S. called The Episcopal Church. Both of these entities have a profoundly "catholic" character in just about everything they do. They could rightly be looked at as "experiments" for the Catholic Church to examine and study. So what have we learnt from the Church of England and The Episcopal Church? For the purpose of this essay, I'll focus on The Episcopal Church since I am an American.

First, let's take a look at Episcopal liturgy...

 

Aside from the woman priest (priestess), and the fact that the entire production seems to be run mostly by women (I counted 2 men and 4 women, not counting the altar servers), the liturgy looks rather Catholic, doesn't it? That's because they're using Rite Two from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer, which was based on the Catholic 1970 Novus Ordo Missal. It's almost identical. I think it would be fair to say that this liturgy represents just about everything that many liberally-minded Catholics would prefer. In The Episcopal Church of the United States, women can be ordained as deacons, priests and even bishops! But it wasn't always this way. The Episcopal Church maintained an all-male priesthood up until January 1, 1977, when the first women were ordained priests (priestesses) in The Episcopal Church. It was at this point the title of "Mother" entered the Episcopal vocabulary, replacing the title of "Father" for female priests. Henceforth, female priests would be addressed as "Mother" instead of "Father" which is commonly used for male priests.

A lot happened between the years of 1977 and 1980 in The Episcopal Church. We could consider it nothing short of a transformation. Between the years of 1970 and 1977, The Episcopal Church was almost indistinguishable from the U.S. Catholic Church, except The Episcopal Church used an older case of English while the Catholic Church used modern vernacular. Then in 1977, The Episcopal Church began ordaining women. This followed in 1979 with the new publication of the Book of Common Prayer, introducing modern vernacular English in Rite II, that mirrored the new Roman Catholic Novus Ordoliturgy. While all this was going on a backlash was set into motion. Old-school, traditional Episcopalians could not tolerate this. A number of Episcopalian priests sought conversion to the Catholic Church and many eventually became Catholic priests. This is how the Anglican Use Pastoral Provision was started, which would eventually lead to the creation of Ordinariates decades later. Some Episcopal priests went to the Eastern Orthodox churches instead. A number of Episcopal bishops and priests held an unauthorised meeting called the Congress of St. Louis. This happened in St. Louis, Missouri, in 1977 immediately following the decision of The Episcopal Church to ordain of female priests. The meeting was attended by some 2,000 Episcopal clergy. While some were from Canada, this is still a very large number considering the overall size of The Episcopal Church in the United States at that time was but a fraction of that in the U.S. Catholic Church. This meeting was nothing short of an earthquake in The Episcopal Church. It produced a document called the Affirmation of St. Louis which condemned The Episcopal Church for its action in ordaining women, and affirmed ongoing communion with Canterbury as they gave themselves permission to start their own new jurisdictions apart from The Episcopal Church. In other words, this was a formal schism. Since then multiple new Anglican jurisdictions have arisen in North America. These consist of but are not limited to; the Anglican Church in America (ACA), the Anglican Catholic Church (ACC), and the largest one today is the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA). All of this is an example of the immediate short-term response following the ordination of women in a very "catholic-like" Protestant church in the United States. So we have our short-term example. We know exactly what will happen, in the short-term, if a similar decision to ordain women were handed down in the Catholic Church.

If the Catholic Church suddenly decided to ordain women to the priesthood, we would expect no less than a similar response but on a much more massive scale. For starters, it would be global. We could expect rival ecumenical councils (or synods) to be held, followed by the schism of entire continents: Africa, Asia, and much of Latin America. These regions would refuse to ordain women entirely, and they would break communion with any faction of the Catholic Church that does. In places like North America and Europe, the Catholic Church would cleave into two factions -- one that ordains women and the other would not. Initially, in North America and Europe, it's likely the faction that ordains only men would be smaller, perhaps significantly smaller, and the faction that ordains women would be initially larger. This would change, however, in the decades to follow.

Let's go back to what happened in The Episcopal Church. In the decades that followed the ordination of women, a dramatic demographic decline in church membership worsened...

As you can see from this graph, in comparison to the Catholic Church, there was a radical decline in the overall membership of The Episcopal Church, starting at about the same time it began it began ordaining women (just before and after 1977). What The Episcopal Church managed to do was put an end to whatever vocational crisis they might have been having, if one ever existed at all. There is now an abundance of priests/priestesses, but the overall size of the denomination has shrunk significantly. In 1976 there were about 3.5 million Episcopalians in the United States. Today that number is about 2.5 million. That's about a 30% loss in membership. When we look at actually mass attendance, the numbers are worse, at just a little over half a million. The Episcopal Church solved their vocational crisis, if there ever was one, but at the cost of burning down their denomination. There are now more priests (and priestesses) per member than ever before, but there are fewer members now -- a lot fewer. The Episcopal Church has significantly shrunk in size, and the decline is ongoing. As you can see in the video above, there is a lot of space in the pews between mass attendees, and of those who are attending, a disproportionate number are geriatric. This is representative of The Episcopal Church at large, which is facing a membership crisis within the next 10 years, as a good number of their faithful contributors will die off due to basic human biology. At that time, we can expect another slump in denomination membership. This is the long-term result of ordaining women as clergy. If there is any thought that ordaining women to the priesthood will somehow (magically) boost Church membership, the historic example of The Episcopal Church should shatter that myth.

There is an ecumenical cost to ordaining women. As Pope St John Paul II wrote in Ordinatio Sacradotalis: "In order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgement is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful." He declared this invoking the infallibility of his office, so it is therefore unchangeable according to Catholic theology. Such a declaration has so entrenched Catholic dogma into an all-male priesthood that immediate schism from those in the Catholic Church who would seek to ordain women is both justifiable and understandable. This is why Rome has consistently excommunicated all clergy involved in mock female ordinations, and even those who aggressively advocate for female ordination. The Catholic Church, by her own profession of faith, does not have the authority to ordain women, and therefore those who try put themselves outside communion with the Catholic Church. As I said above, the ordination of women on a large scale by the Catholic Church would result in an unprecedented schism unlike anything ever seen in modern times. Furthermore, any hope of ecumenical reunion with the Eastern Orthodox would be dashed forever, at least for the faction that ordains women.

The rationale is as follows. Apostolic Tradition is clear. If Jesus intended to ordain women, he would have ordained the most worthy and knowledgeable woman of them all -- Mary his mother. Nobody knew Christ better than Mary. Nobody understood him better than Mary. Nobody could communicate the message of the gospel better than Mary. So if Jesus Christ intended to ordain women, he would have (indeed he should have) ordained Mary his mother. Yet he didn't. In fact, he never ordained any women at all, even when they proved their courage was greater than 11 of his 12 apostles. For none of them stood by him while he was on the cross, save the Apostle John and the women. If Jesus Christ intended to ordain women, he most certainly would have, and yet he did not. Furthermore, St. Paul the Apostles explicitly says that women are not to be ordained (1 Corinthians 14:34, 1 Timothy 2:12). The Catholic Church is in the business of keeping Apostolic Tradition. That's what makes it Catholic. Failure to uphold Apostolic Tradition invalidates the ministry of the Church and therefore operates against the Church. We must follow Apostolic Tradition, or else we're not Catholic. Failure to uphold this Apostolic Tradition will result in spiritual implosion for the Catholic Church, for by ordaining women, the Catholic Church would be attacking its own foundation.

In the long run, we could expect the faction of the Catholic Church that ordains women to follow along on the same path as The Episcopal Church right now, into total decline. The faction that does not ordain women will likely grow and increase over the following decades, just like the splintered continuing Anglican provinces are growing right now. At the present rate, weekly mass attendance in the ACNA will exceed that of The Episcopal Church within about 10 years.

On a practical level, this is how the faithful laity would (and should) respond to the ordination of women priests in the Catholic Church. First and foremost, regardless of whatever the hierarchy says, the ordination of women is invalid. It's not really an ordination at all, but rather a mock simulation. When a woman is "ordained" as a "priest," she does not become a priest, and at that point, she ceases to be Catholic as well. Therefore, any sacraments offered by her ministry are also invalid, with the exception of baptism of course. So confession is invalid, and so is the Eucharist. Faithful Catholics would be under moral obligation to avoid all masses presided over by a female "priestess." The bread would not be transubstantiated in such masses and would remain just bread. The same goes for the wine. Therefore reception of these things, with the mindset that it is Christ, would be manifest idolatry, though culpability of the laity may be limited due to ignorance. Faithful Catholics would have to seek the sacraments elsewhere, offered by a male priest who is validly ordained. The same goes for confession and healing. All of these would be automatically invalid if offered by a female "priestess," because in fact, she is not a priest. Parishes, where female priestesses preside, would empty out, and parishes were male priests preside would fill up. It's as simple as that.

The whole thing would be a terribly unfortunate mess, but biology would eventually correct the problem, as the faction Church that ordains women would eventually be unable to support itself financially. The laity would gradually deplete over decades, and there would not be enough to financially support the number of priests/priestesses in that faction. Not to worry though, I don't expect this to happen in the Catholic Church. There may be many people who want to happen and will try hard to make it so, but in the end, the Catholic Church will have to decide if it wants to commit suicide or not. I think the overwhelming number of African, Asian and Latin American bishops would put a stop to any church attempt, and then, of course, there is always the Holy Spirit.

"Already We hear you clamor for the ordination of woman.  No woman shall stand in My House to represent Me!  How dare you bring in this heresy to My House!  I shall go among you and I shall sling you out from My temples!" Jesus - December 27, 1975

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Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak but to be subject, as also the law saith.  But if they would learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.  1 Cor 14:34-35

But every woman praying or prophesying (teaching) with her head not covered disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.  For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn.  But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head.  The man indeed ought not to cover his head: because he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man.  For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.  For the man was not created for the woman: but the woman for the man.  Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels.  1 Cor 11:5-10

In like manner, women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire:  But, as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works.  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.  For Adam was first formed; then Eve.  And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression.  Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety.  1 Tim 2:9-15

And Adam said: The woman, whom thou gavest me to be my companion, gave me of the tree, and I did eat.  And the Lord God said to the woman: Why hast thou done this? And she answered: The serpent deceived me, and I did eat....  To the woman also he said: I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions: in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children, and thou shalt be under thy husband’s power, and he shall have dominion (authority) over thee.  And to Adam he said: Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee, that thou shouldst not eat, cursed is the earth in thy work: with labour and toil shalt thou eat thereof all the days of thy life.  Thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to thee, and thou shalt eat the herbs of the earth.  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return.  Gen 3:12-13, 3:16-19

St. Paul - "Listen, My child, how satan has corrupted the word."
    Veronica - And now he's becoming quite angry and pointing, jabbing with his finger the Book, and saying:
    St. Paul - "Observe: Women shall be meek in the presence of their husbands.  We hear the call of 'liberation'!  Whom shall woman be liberated to but satan!
    "A man, as a figure of the Christ, my child, shall be the head of his household.  So it is from the Lord.
    "A woman shall adorn herself not in pearls and braided hair, but in goodness and piety and good example to her children.  A woman will not expose her body as a pagan.  What manner of example has she given to her children?  Woe to the parent who brings scandal to her children!
   "Woman, remove your arrogance!  You are searching in darkness.  As a sign of reverence, you will cover your head.  It is not that I call it custom, My children; it is that the angels demand this in the presence of the Sacrifice, Mass!" - St. Paul, March 22, 1975

 "You will remove woman from My Church, as leaders and rulers.  Of what?  What manner of foul action do you promote?
    "In the beginning I gave to you, through your prophets, the establishment of My Church upon earth.  The rules were simple but now have become changed and defiled to please the carnal nature of mankind.  You must restore the holiness to My House!  You must bend your knees in humility and penance." Jesus, December 31, 1975

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ONLY MEN
"In the Holy Sacrifice that I left with you, I did not ask for women to be upon the altar, nor try to be a high priestess. They carry this on in the churches of satan; therefore, it shall not be carried on in My Church.
   "When I had the Last Supper with the Apostles, My Mother was not present.  If I had it in My power from the Eternal Father to make a priestess, I would surely have chosen My Mother; but, no, there were no women present at the first Dedication." - Jesus, October 2, 1987

HERESY
"Already We hear you clamor for the ordination of woman. No woman shall stand in My House to represent Me!  How dare you bring in this heresy to My House! I shall go among you and I shall sling you out from My temples!" - Jesus, December 27, 1975

WOMAN'S  GLORY
"As a Mother, My heart is torn, for the example of many mothers on earth is poor. Woman, who has come from Adam, would regain her glory by childbearing. This, too, has she cast aside for the ways of darkness. No longer does she seek to purge her soul and to enter the Kingdom of the Father. Her sins multiply, for no longer does she not only miss the opportunity of purging, but she has committed murder! All the evils of the flesh.
     "Women of the world reject their places as helpmates to their husbands. What manner of creature have they become? The Day of the Lord approaches fast upon you, for what has been foretold is coming to pass." - Our Lady of the Roses, Mary Help of Mothers, March 24, 1974

ONLY EXCEPTION
"Only in dire need of death shall a man - I say a man, not a woman or a child-shall a man be given the power through the legally-ordained priest to bring in urgency and haste the Host to the dying!
    "This debasement to My Son's Body shall not go unpunished! - Our Lady of the Roses, August 21, 1975

READ  ST. PAUL
"All who have received the Holy Spirit have consecrated hands. And I say unto you none but legally-ordained priests in My House shall bring My Body to the multitudes! No woman shall stand in the holy place! No woman shall vie or compete for rulership in My House. I say unto you, you must go back and read the Commandments of the Eternal Father; you must go back and read the rules that Paul gave to you. You cast him aside and you write another book, a bible, a tome; you write it to suit your own basic carnal human nature." - Jesus, July 15, 1977

NOT  TO  BE  RULERS  IN  THE  CHURCH
"You will remove woman from My Church, as leaders and rulers. Of what?  What manner of foul action do you promote?
     "In the beginning I gave to you, through your prophets, the establishment of My Church upon earth. The rules were simple but now have become changed and defiled to please the carnal nature of mankind. You must restore the holiness to My House! You must bend your knees in humility and penance." - Jesus, December 31, 1975

WOMEN WILL NOT DRESS AS MEN
"I refuse any soul the privilege of being with My Mother unless properly attired. Women will not dress as men in Her presence, nor will women condone the attire during their earthly existence. Can you not sacrifice for Me? Better the abuse of the flesh than the fire to the soul." - Jesus, February 28, 1971

PENETRATE THE HEART
"I repeat the warning from Heaven that man shall not dress as woman and woman shall not adopt the attire of a man, because the external indications, My children, soon penetrate the heart and expose a darkness of spirit. Many shall judge you by your attire." - Our Lady of the Roses, Mary Help of Mothers, September 6, 1975

"YOU  DEFY  THE  ETERNAL  FATHER"
"Women of your nation and all of the nations of the world, the Eternal Father shall send a grievous boil upon you, for you have become unchaste, for you have become immodest, and you have cast aside your role as a woman, as a mother, and as a bearer of  children for the Eternal Father in Heaven.
     "Woman of the world, you have chosen to become murderers, killing your young.  You defy the Eternal Father in your quest for luxury and pleasure.  You have cast aside your role as women and have aligned yourselves with homosexuality and lesbianism, and as such you corrupt the young.  Woe to a generation that has made sin a way of life." - Our Lady of the Roses, Mary Help of Mothers, June 1, 1978

LIBERATION?
"Paganism will not be tolerated by the Father, neither in your lay life nor in the House of My Son. It is an abomination for women to speak in the House of God! I hear a word—defilement of man, liberation? My child, what is this liberation women ask for? Satan has created the plan for their destruction. Take your Bible, take the Book of life and study it and learn!" - Our Lady of the Roses, Mary Help of Mothers, July 15, 1974

REBELLING AGAINST  HER  DESTINY
"My child, make it known to the world that woman must return to her place as woman, for she has been misled. Was it not woman who fell to satan in the beginning?
   "Her disobedience to the will of God brings much sorrow upon her and her children. It would be better now, My children, if woman would be silent, for she does not know the road she is traveling. It is only satan who has set her to rebel against her destiny." - Our Lady of the Roses, Mary Help of Mothers, March 24, 1974

DESECRATION
"My child, you ask why I cry? I shed tears of great anguish. I watch anew the desecration to My Son's Body being committed upon earth. None shall place their hands upon His Body!
    "My Son has given you in trust those He has chosen among mankind to represent Him-your priests. None others shall carry My Son to mankind! You shall not defile His Body by giving Him into the hands of women, or those that have not been prepared by the Father as legally-ordained priests in the houses of God-laziness, preoccupied with the world and the pleasures of the flesh!" - Our Lady of the Roses, November 1, 1974

FAR  SUPERIOR
"A priest, My children, is a chosen man of God. A true legally-ordained priest is far superior than any man, as he represents Me in the Godhead."  Jesus, May 23, 1979

VOCATIONS
"If you are willing to ask the Eternal Father, and if you do not give yourselves over to doctrines of demons, you will have priests sufficient to carry out the ministry."  Jesus, May 23, 1979

WOMAN'S  GLORY
"Woman, who has come from Adam, would regain her glory by childbearing. This, too, has she cast aside for the ways of darkness."  Our Lady of the Roses, Mary Help of Mothers, March 24, 1974

JUST PUNISHMENT AND BANISHMENT
"Therefore, I warn you now as your God: You will stop your intricacies within My Church. You will stop experimenting. I gave you the rules to follow many years ago, two thousand years approximately. And why now, two thousand years later, do you deem it necessary to change My Church upon earth? I, your God, say to you, you will be judged accordingly. You will return My Church to its former glory, and in that manner you will have more vocations and more entering the seminaries, and not fleeing from them as they hear the heresies and all other innovations that are going on within My Church. This is My last and final word to My clergy: Change now or suffer a just punishment and banishment.” - Jesus, June 18, 1986 

SEMINARIES
"You will return My Church to its former glory, and in that manner you will have more vocations and more entering the seminaries, and not fleeing from them as they hear the heresies and all other innovations that are going on within My Church."  Jesus, June 18, 1986

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